Premium Members, click here to access this interview in the premium area.

Johl Dunn of www.jdportraitart.com.au started his photography business from the living room of a shared house back in 2002 when he was 22 and working full time as a brickies labourer. He was only able to work on growing his business at nights and weekends.

From there, Johl's studio, J.D Portrait Art has evolved into one of Melbourne’s Premier boutique portrait studios.

With his wife and two staff working in the business, things are going great in what is often described as a VERY tough market and climate for portrait photographers.

It's not about selling the most, it's about selling what is right. – Johl Dunn

After exchanging a few emails, I learned that Johl is only spending around 20hrs a week in the portrait side of his business. His staff take care of the rest.

Their average sale is just over $2800 this year!

Johl says he has worked hard to implement strategies and procedures over the last few years to free himself up to focus on other parts of his business but still maintain and improve the studio's client experience and the business turnover.

In fact, he is working 50% fewer hours in the photography business and still growing its revenue.

In this interview, Johl shares how to create a money-making portrait photography business, no matter your location. It's all about generating leads, pre-shoot (informative and helpful) consultations and getting out of your own way to make great sales.

Here’s some more of what we cover in the interview:

  • How to manage your time while growing your photography business
  • Why go into the photography coaching space with such a successful photography business
  • Why Johl prefers outsourcing or employing non-photographers for photography sales positions
  • Finding the right mindset when selling your images
  • Why styled shoots have fewer chances of getting you repeat businesses
  • Selling beforehand or warming up your clients are key to generating sales
  • The importance of avoiding buyers remorse and how to achieve it
  • Why planning appointments with clients will boost your sales
  • 90% of Johl's clients come from free shoot vouchers
  • Johl sends out $250 credit vouchers for photography sessions and it works
  • Getting clients emotionally involved to guarantee sales
  • How Johl introduces pricing after excitement building
  • Scripts to use when informing possible clients of their average spend
  • Where clients find Johl's vouchers in the local community
  • Facebook Ads as a lead generation magnet
  • Why Johl doesn't get higher leads through third party marketing
  • Why it is a cardinal sin to send pricing quotes via email and messenger chat?
  • Johl's secret to creating successful planning appointments
  • Booking child/family portraits on school holidays
  • Johl's photography style and why it's conducive to great photography sales
  • How many clients Johl photographs on a normal day
  • The correlation between fun shoots and great sales
  • What happens during Johl's client planning appointments?
  • The best way to display your cheapest product yet still generate sales
  • How to train your staff to sell effectively
  • Using PayRight to manage client payment plans
  • How Johl handles in-house payment plans
  • The misconception that rich people are the best clients
  • Who are Johl's average clients?
  • How to handle the bad Melbourne weather as an outdoor portrait photographer
  • Johl's reason for having a street-front studio instead of working from home
  • Johl's favourite software to use for his business
  • The best thing Johl has ever done for his business
  • The importance of investing in coaching or personal development
  • What convinced Johl to shift to full-time photography?
  • A setback that Johl experienced in his business
  • Why Johl shifted from weddings to portrait photography
  • What Johl would do if starting his photography business if he was to move and start over
  • How to handle unhappy clients or complaints
  • Is it imperative to always have a unique selling proposition?
  • Why your photoshoot is the least important part of booking clients and making sales

Johl Dunn Photography Podcast

What’s on Offer for Premium Members

If you’re a premium member, you should have received an email with links to your version of this interview – the full length and more revealing version where you hear the absolute best tips and advice from every guest.

If you’re on the fence about becoming a premium member, join with the $1 trial today and get access to the FULL interviews each week, get access to an amazing back catalogue of interviews and ALL future interviews delivered automatically to your phone or tablet.

The more you teach, the more you learn as well from other people. – John Dunn

Plus special member-only interviews.

You'll also receive access to the members-only Secret Facebook Group where you can connect with other Premium Members and interview guests to help, support and motivate you to take ideas you hear in each episode and put them into action. There are also FB live video tutorials, role-play interviews and special live interviews happening in the group. You will not find more friendly, more motivated, caring and sharing photographers online.

Joining a Mastermind Group (encouraged by Andrew) has been incredibly valuable and fun, I look forward to connecting with my group members every week. Jina Zheng, Premium Member and Melbourne Children photographer.

Seriously, that's not all.

In addition to everything above, you'll get access to and instructions on forming or joining a MasterMind Group with other premium members. These groups are super motivating, make you accountable and build friendships with other pro photographers with similar motives to you – to build a more successful photography business.

Johl Dunn Photography Podcast

What is your big takeaway?

Following this interview, I’d love to know if you're taking anything away from what Johl shared. Is there something you heard that excited or motivated you to the point where you thought, yeah, I'm going to do that! If so, let me know by leaving your thoughts in the comments below, let me know what your takeaways were, what you plan to implement in your business as a result of what you heard in today's episode.

If you quote someone on a messenger or email, they are just going on logic, there's no emotion. It's just pure numbers and logic, and if someone's cheaper you're not going to win. – Johl Dunn

If you have any questions that I missed, a specific question you’d like to ask Johl or if you just want to say thanks for coming on the show, feel free to add them in the comments area below.

Johl Dunn Photography Podcast

iTunes Reviews and Shout-outs

Each week I check for any new iTunes reviews and it's always a buzz to receive these… for a couple of reasons.

Firstly, it's confirmation that I'm on the right track with the interviews and that they really are helping you improve your photography business. That's awesome!

Secondly, iTunes is the biggest search engine when it comes to podcasts and it's your reviews and ratings that help other photographers find PhotoBizX. More listeners mean more interviews and ultimately a better show.

If you have left a review in the past, thank you! If you haven't and you'd like to, head to https://photobizx.com/itunes and you can leave some honest feedback and a rating which will help both me and the show and I'll be sure to thank you on the show and add a link to your website or blog if you let me know the URL of your website and your name.

Alternatively, if you've left a review for PhotoBizX and are looking for more backlinks to help your SEO, leave a review for the new Photography Xperiment Podcast and email me your keywords or keyword phrase and where you'd like me to link to.

Another great way to get a backlink to your site is to send a video testimonial. It doesn't need to be fancy and your phone will be perfect. Click record and tell me how PhotoBizX has made a difference to you and your photography business.

Here are the latest messages:

The photo above was sent to me in an email exchange with Wellington headshots photographer, Tim Morrison who added the following: 

Take care and thanks again for all that you do to keep us all inspired and enthusiastic about the business of photography. Oh, I’ve attached a picture of the dangers of being a PhotoBizExposed listener ?

I received the above BombBomb video message from Harlow baby photographer, Sue Kennedy after I asked if she's been implementing anything she's heard from the podcast?
Sue said in her message:
For me Julie Muir in 320 was a big one, I often take notes and listen again to episodes, but with hers, I actually invested in BombBomb. She said something along the lines of standing out from competitors by doing something different, and this really resonated with me. Still early days, but it's definitely warmly received by people. The first couple of enquiries booked – obviously, it did not continue that way, but it has improved my conversion rate. 
I have the option to book online, and it still surprises me a little when people book out of the blue, so I BombBomb them to just to say looking forward to their shoot, and this seems to be warmly received. I know that's a bit too pink & fluffy for some, but I want clients who return as their family grows, and hopefully, this will help me build a strong relationship with them.
My mindset has pivoted in the past 18 months, and I have finally embraced the fact I do want to run a business in a way that feels authentic to me.

Johl Dunn Photography Podcast

Links to people, places and things mentioned in this episode:

Johl Dunn Website

Johl Dunn on Facebook

JD Mindset Coaching

JD Mindset Coaching free training for photographers

PayRight

ProSelect

Evergreen Facebook Ad Funnels for photographers course

BombBomb  – Julie's referral code: https://mbsy.co/lbJW8 will get you and Julie a $50 Amazon gift card

Thank you!

Thanks again for listening and thanks to Johl for coming on and sharing his thoughts and ideas on building a successful portrait photography business by focussing on Third Party Marketing, pre-shoot consultations, fantastic client experience and making it easy for you to sell and for your clients to spend.

Don't get too caught up in the photography because the clients are more interested in the experience than the end result. – Johl Dunn

If you have any suggestions, comments or questions about this episode, please be sure to leave them below in the comment section of this post, and if you liked the episode, please share it using the social media buttons you see at the bottom of the post!

That’s it for me this week, hope everything is going well for you in life and business!

Thanks and speak soon
Andrew